From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 06:15:09 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #76 Linux-Activists Digest #76, Volume #2 Thu, 16 Apr 92 06:15:09 EDT Contents: Re: Too many duplicated messages (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) How to set the path ? (Matthew Jackson) How to set the path ? (Matthew Jackson) Config 95c+ uploaded to tsx-11 (Michael K. Johnson) Re: When will "Linux 1.0" come to the world ? (david nugent) Re: Questions and suggestions (david nugent) Re: ESDI drives (Brian Chojnowski) Adaptec & Swap space (Brett J. Vickers) Re: Loadable Device drivers. (Peter Choma) Stuck on mkfs (Drew Stevens) Stuck on mkfs (Drew Stevens) More kernel rebuild problems (Bowen Goletz) Sockets, Tubes--> IPC status for Linux???? (cm445a17) Re: bootimage-0.95c+.scsi corrupt at nic.funet.fi ?? (Niels Skov Olsen) Summary: tar files on floppy. (Lars Lindner) Re: Taylor-uucp 1.03 beta - porting status (Joerg Pommnitz) Re: Taylor-uucp 1.03 beta - porting status (Joerg Pommnitz) Re: GNU Fortran (Craig Burley) Re: Partitioning Warning! (Rob Huehn) Re: User's Guide project (Drew Eckhardt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) Subject: Re: Too many duplicated messages Date: 15 Apr 92 21:35:04 GMT Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (Peter Anvin) In article <1992Apr15.142501.27834@athena.mit.edu> of alt.os.linux, claris!wet!dhl%netcom.com@apple.com (Dahai Li) writes: > > (what is the reason for this duplications? People send copies to two Linux > news group: alt.os.linux, and comp.os.linux?) > In my understanding, this group, alt.os.linux, is obsolete and only comp.os.linux should be used. /hpa -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu TALK: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu BITNET: HPA@NUACC HAM RADIO: N9ITP, SM4TKN IRC: Scalar NeXTMAIL: hpa@lenny.acns.nwu.edu "Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray." -- Anon. ------------------------------ From: s9100786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Matthew Jackson) Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: How to set the path ? Date: 15 Apr 92 10:42:26 +1000 First off, thanks to all the work done by everyone to get Linux up and running. Also, thanks to the writers of the new users and installation pages. I managed to get 0.95a up and running with only one minor problem (accidentally swapping the order for the hard disk device numbers). Now I have a few questions (of course). When I was running the install scripts, I checked they were flagged as executable, and tried to run them. No go. I then tried /INSTALL/install and it worked ! OK, I thought Linux doesn't look in the current directory for a file before searching the path (ala DOS) (is this meant to work this way ? I am used to DOS and VMS, only just got started with Unix). OK (he thinks again), why don't I put the current directory in the path ? I typed set and got a list of the environment variables and there was one called PATH, so I tried set PATH=....:. and still no go. So can someone tell me how to change the path under Linux ? Thanks in advance, -- Matthew Jackson | Computing Officer | Why didn't Noah swat those two School of Banking and Finance | mosquitoes ? University of New South Wales | Australia | s9100786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au | ------------------------------ From: s9100786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Matthew Jackson) Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: How to set the path ? Date: 15 Apr 92 10:42:26 +1000 First off, thanks to all the work done by everyone to get Linux up and running. Also, thanks to the writers of the new users and installation pages. I managed to get 0.95a up and running with only one minor problem (accidentally swapping the order for the hard disk device numbers). Now I have a few questions (of course). When I was running the install scripts, I checked they were flagged as executable, and tried to run them. No go. I then tried /INSTALL/install and it worked ! OK, I thought Linux doesn't look in the current directory for a file before searching the path (ala DOS) (is this meant to work this way ? I am used to DOS and VMS, only just got started with Unix). OK (he thinks again), why don't I put the current directory in the path ? I typed set and got a list of the environment variables and there was one called PATH, so I tried set PATH=....:. and still no go. So can someone tell me how to change the path under Linux ? Thanks in advance, -- Matthew Jackson | Computing Officer | Why didn't Noah swat those two School of Banking and Finance | mosquitoes ? University of New South Wales | Australia | s9100786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au | ------------------------------ From: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) Subject: Config 95c+ uploaded to tsx-11 Reply-To: johnsonm@stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:48:34 GMT From: bir7@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ross Biro) I just uploaded configc+.tar.Z to tsx-11.mit.edu. It should appear in a few hours, and it includes: It has appeared. tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/patches/configc+.tar.Z michaelkjohnson johnsonm@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent) Subject: Re: When will "Linux 1.0" come to the world ? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:53:32 +1000 Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes: > In article <1992Apr13.215610.22632%dr794348@cs.nthu.edu.tw> dr794348@cs.nthu. > >Linux 0.95c is still in the period of development. > > I follow you here.... > > >Everything is rather unstable. > > "Everything"? "rather unstable"? What are you basing these > judgements on? If what was meant by "unstable" was "dynamic" and "moving", I agree. I hope it remains that way. It's great working with an OS that mulitple people are working on at all sorts of levels. It's an even greater opportunity to learn. > My experience with Linux indicates it is more stable > than DOS+DESQview on my machine, and allows me to get even more done, > with the small exception of word processing. But this is NOT FAIR! Anything remotely DOS-associated is definitely NOT STABLE in that sense by definition. No memory protection == not relatively stable. I might mention that apart from during the boot process when I had the kernel attempting to find it's root device in the wild blue yonder, I've _never_ had a fatal kernel panic trap - not once in the last 5 weeks in which I've been running it almost full time. I've been pushing it hard too. I've had gcc grind the system (8 meg RAM + 8 meg swap) to a halt and cause some strange apparent HD errors on the swap device (ie. out of vitual RAM), but after killing one of the compiles and restarting when the other one stopped, it continued on... Gee, if this is unstable, then what will "stable" be like? :-) I previously ran Interactive UNIX for over 2 years. I remember seeing 3 panic traps in the first attempt to install it on exactly the same hardware! I also installed it ans SCO's product on several machines as a part of my work and I can honestly say that while the facilities offered by Linux don't yet match the SCO/ISC product, that Linux certainly _feels_ and _acts_ more stable in most ways. > (Which I hope to > overcome, once I figure out how the !@$*!@ to set up TeX. I > appreciate the absolute lack of instructions included with the TeX > distributed for Linux. Grr.) I bet you'd love it in texinfo format, right? :-) (Read: don't ask me - I use emacs, when I have to, under sufferance! :-)) .............................................................................. david nugent Public Access Usenet "Only Nixon can go to China" david@csource.oz.au +61-3-792-3507 - ancient Vulcan proverb 3:632/400@fidonet, 58:4100/1@intlnet, 199:4242/5@rainbownet, 33:300/6@admin PO Box 260, Endeavour Hills, Victoria, Australia, 3802. ------------------------------ From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent) Subject: Re: Questions and suggestions Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:31:07 +1000 Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au Adrian.Wallaschek@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Adrian Wallaschek) writes: > - is there anybody working on a serial driver for multiport cards as > ast-compatible cards, etc. (There is a freeware-driver for commercial > *nix-versions called FAS which does a quite good job!) ? I intend to. I'm pushing a couple of other things presently which is helping to get on familiar territory in hacking the kernel, but that's the aim. IMHO, fas is a little bloated. It certainly is nice, but I'd prefer to start with something a little simpler. It will, however, support 16550AFNs and hardware flow control (I need both myself :-)). From looking at the current kernel sources, it would appear that some further changes to the kernel would be required to correctly support shared-IRQ between (logical) devices. If anyone else is working or intends to work on a similar project, I'd like to know. Either I can help, or they can help me (same difference) or maybe I'm wasting my time if someone else has already got it under control... david .............................................................................. david nugent Public Access Usenet "Only Nixon can go to China" david@csource.oz.au +61-3-792-3507 - ancient Vulcan proverb 3:632/400@fidonet, 58:4100/1@intlnet, 199:4242/5@rainbownet, 33:300/6@admin PO Box 260, Endeavour Hills, Victoria, Australia, 3802. ------------------------------ From: chojnows@osiris (Brian Chojnowski) Subject: Re: ESDI drives Date: 16 Apr 92 03:29:03 GMT mkfs was able to format the partition that I had prepared, but mount gave me an error 2. Does anyone know what this error pertains to? I am using an ESDI drive. Other than that, I have followed the installation guildlines. They were pretty simple, I prepared the 95a boot and root diskes on 1.2M floppies, set a partition with fdisk, that fdisk on linux was able to read, then did mkfs -c /dev/hda2 (was second partition). That worked fine, but got error 2 for mount /dev/hda2 /user. ------------------------------ From: bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) Subject: Adaptec & Swap space Date: 16 Apr 92 04:28:31 GMT I recently installed Linux 0.95c+, and I have been unable to set up swap space using either a separate partition or a swap file. I'm using an Adaptec SCSI card and SCSI target 1 for my file system and the swap partition. mkswap seems to work ok, but when I run swapon, I get the "Unable to find swap-space signature" error. Someone else who was using an Adaptec SCSI card posted that they were having similar problems, and this leads me to wonder if swap space and the Adaptec driver don't go together very well. Can anyone confirm my suspicions? -- bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there brett@ucippro.bitnet | is the danger of oppression." - James Madison ------------------------------ From: choma@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Peter Choma) Subject: Re: Loadable Device drivers. Date: 16 Apr 92 03:31:48 GMT In article <1992Apr15.125511.28578@donau.et.tudelft.nl> wolff@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff) writes: > >Hi everyone, > >I will be doing a project involving the implementation of >"loadable device drivers" in linux. This will facilitate developing >new device drivers: you should be able to: > ... > Roger Beta? copies of Solaris 2.0 should be released sometime in June'92. Solaris 2.0 will use a new design for device drivers which differs from SunOS 4.1 It might be useful to use Solaris 2.0 as a model since Solaris 2.0 will support device drivers which can be load/unloaded on the fly without rebooting the operating system. The ability to load/unload device drivers while the system is running is a very useful feature as it makes it much easier to test new device drivers and it makes it much easier to have systems auto-configure themselves. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux From: drews@bmerh250.bnr.ca (Drew Stevens) Subject: Stuck on mkfs Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:41:31 GMT I'm having trouble installing linux on my second hard drive - fdisk can see any partitions I make (ex. - /dev/hdb4) but there is no device /dev/hdb4 and so mkfs fails. I've tried many combinations of primary and extended partitions (using edpart) and have made the partitions active but to no avail. Could someone who has successfully made a file system on a second hard drive let please indicate what steps are necessary? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux From: drews@bmerh250.bnr.ca (Drew Stevens) Subject: Stuck on mkfs Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:41:31 GMT I'm having trouble installing linux on my second hard drive - fdisk can see any partitions I make (ex. - /dev/hdb4) but there is no device /dev/hdb4 and so mkfs fails. I've tried many combinations of primary and extended partitions (using edpart) and have made the partitions active but to no avail. Could someone who has successfully made a file system on a second hard drive let please indicate what steps are necessary? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ From: cheetah@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bowen Goletz) Subject: More kernel rebuild problems Date: 16 Apr 92 05:16:39 GMT On a 1.95c+ kernel rebuild with gcc 2.1, with ld from 1.4 (?) and attempting to link cpp to various binaries that came with gcc 2.1, I get the same slew of errors: touch include/linux/config.h cpp -nostdinc -Iinclude -traditional boot/bootsect.S -o boot/bootsect.s boot/bootsect.S:2:Junk character 62913608. boot/bootsect.S:3:Junk character 62913608. boot/bootsect.S:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!). boot/bootsect.S:4:Junk character 62913608. boot/bootsect.S:4:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!). boot/bootsect.S:5:Junk character 62913608. boot/bootsect.S:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!). boot/bootsect.S:6:Junk character 62913608. [ lots of errors removed ] make: *** [boot/bootsect.s] Error 1 WHAT is going on!? I have defined my keyboard and root device, I've used pmake and make, and have expr. However, when I rename expr, and have cpp linked to g++, I get a whole new slew of errors: expr: not found [: syntax error touch include/linux/config.h cpp -nostdinc -Iinclude -traditional boot/bootsect.S -o boot/bootsect.s expr: not found boot/bootsect.S:1: parse error before `!' boot/bootsect.S:3: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal boot/bootsect.S:3: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal boot/bootsect.S:16: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal boot/bootsect.S:19: character constant too long boot/bootsect.S:68: character constant too long boot/bootsect.S:361: character constant too long boot/bootsect.S:368: character constant too long boot/bootsect.S:399: character constant too long make: *** [boot/bootsect.s] Error 1 HELP! -bg -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Bowen Goletz Purdue University Midi 'n Music cheetah@sage.cc.purdue.edu Bowen.Goletz@f120.n201.z1.Fidonet.Org ------------------------------ From: cm445a17@socrates.umd.edu (cm445a17) Subject: Sockets, Tubes--> IPC status for Linux???? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:40:46 GMT What is the current status of the IPC library for Linux? I have been playing around with the socket libray emulation a little and I was wondering if people are still working on it. Also, I've seen in the ftp sites the tubes library. What is it exactly? Does it work with the latest version of Linux (0.95c+)? Thanks, Jaime Jofre ------------------------------ From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen) Subject: Re: bootimage-0.95c+.scsi corrupt at nic.funet.fi ?? Date: 15 Apr 92 22:52:46 GMT Johan, SCSI devices now use major 8. See the scsi.faq at headrest.woz.colorado.edu (probably other places too, I guess). Niels ------------------------------ From: etxlli@eos.ericsson.se (Lars Lindner) Subject: Summary: tar files on floppy. Date: 15 Apr 92 11:15:54 GMT Here's a summary of the answers a got to the question: >>When I have both boot and root images installed on HD and i want to >>install more SW downloaded as .tar.Z files, in what way will i get >>them on a floppy to be able to install them on my linux machine? Iain>The best solution is to use mtools but you need to be able to solve your Iain>problem before you install mtools so here goes.... Iain> Iain>On many archive sites (Dos) you will find tar programs for dos (as well ans Iain>uncompress programs). The 2 I use are the Toad Hall shareware tar util and Iain>u16.exe as an uncompressor. The uncompressor is not strictly necessary but it Iain>helps. Iain> Iain>Get your .tar.Z files to dos. If you need to you should split them under Unix Iain>(uncompress and make new tars) but if needbe you can do it under dos. Then, Iain>take your dos tar utility and create a tar file containing your .tar.Z file. Iain>Rawrite this new tar to a floppy and boot up linux. Once in Linux type Iain> Iain>tar xvf /dev/PS0 (for drive A). Iain> Iain>This should get you the .tar.Z file into Linux and it's att straightfoward Iain>from there. I's strongly recommend that you get and install mtools if you are Iain>using dos as well on the same machine. Iain> Iain>Iain According to both Juergen Henke and Mike Dobson you can also "rawrite" your .tar.Z files directly to the floppy and use one of the folflowing lines to untar the file. tar xvZf /dev/PS0 or tar xvpz zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc) writes: James Craig Burley, who is writing the GNU Fortran compiler, announced in a recent post that he is getting a machine to run Linux on. I expect that those who like FORTRAN (yeugh!) will find the Linux version should work fairly well if JCB is doing the development on a Linux system. This is optimistic for two reasons: 1. I'm getting my own machine primarily to do my own playing with OS R&D, windows development, new-technology compiler development, and suchlike, starting with Linux as a base, and hoping to contribute to Linux itself. I _want_ the machine to also be a great platform for me to do Fortran-compiler development, but that might be asking too much; it might just serve as a really huge terminal for that particular job. Or, the FSF might be lending a separate machine (68k based) for my Fortran work. 2. I still have no idea whether _any_ port of my Fortran compiler will "work fairly well". Naturally, I'm very hopeful, but this is out-and- out the largest and longest coding job I've ever done with essentially no ongoing input or testing by other people. But I hope your optimistic prediction proves correct! After all, if my machine (which I'm planning on ordering so it arrives in early May) finds itself running Linux, gcc 2.1, and other such things quickly, then I will probably use it to do Fortran stuff right away, and who knows, maybe the compiler _will_ be fairly decent as it goes to alpha! Nobody should bet their careers on it, though. :-) -- James Craig Burley, Software Craftsperson burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu Member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) ------------------------------ From: huehn@hppad.waterloo.hp.com (Rob Huehn) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:25:01 GMT Subject: Re: Partitioning Warning! liljeber@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Pekka Liljeberg) writes: >In article <1992Apr12.151734.4845@donau.et.tudelft.nl> wolff@neuron.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff) wrote: >> >> YEP happened to me too! DR DOS 6.0 recognizes MINIX and Linux partitions >> as if they are DOS 2.0 partitions, and will friendly as ever write format >> recover files to them, thereby destroying them. >> >> This is clearly DR DOS's fault. I won't use it anymore. (too bad for the >> extra 30M i'd get on my 30M partition, haven't bought/found Stacker yet...) >> >> >> Roger > >I don't use DRDOS myself, but I have a suggestion that might help. >Clearly DRDOS does not recognize Minix and Linux paritions and >blithely assumes (and this is surely a bug) that they are DOS 2.0 >partitions. The obvious fix would be to use a partition ID that >DRDOS is sure to recognize as NON-DOS, say Xenix for instance. >Linux doesn't care one way or another. If memory serves, Xenix uses >ID $02. You can use Norton Utilities, or any of a number of partition >table editors, to change the partition ID. > > Mika Haven't they fixed that yet? I found the same problem in 5.0 too, as did anyone else who used DR DOS and Minix. When the DR DOS disk driver checks partition types it masks the ID with 0x7f (looks like a bad patch to make someone happy, but it's pretty stupid.) If you feel like fixing the real source of the problem, you could remove the mask from DR DOS. But make sure you understand what you're doing if you change it. It works for me with 5.0. -- Rob (rghuehn@sunee.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Engineering, University of Waterloo Huehn (huehn@waterloo.hp.com) Panacom Automation Division, Hewlett Packard Co ------------------------------ From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: User's Guide project Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:42:28 GMT In article <4769@krafla.rhi.hi.is> einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason) writes: >In ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: > >>knapka@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joseph Knapka) writes: > >And perhaps some co-ordination regarding patches. Perhaps a few persons >would take each patch, and compare it to some "standard" source tree. > >I have used Minix a bit, but haven't installed Linux (yet), but I'd >hate to see the "patch-mess", that minix has gotten into, hit Linux as >well. It's not that bad - "important" patches do make it back into the standard distribution (ie what's necessary for a real ps, faster floppy and lp drivers, the virtual consoles, VFS, minor patches in the boot sector and hard disk driver, etc) fairly quickly. Also, as Linux becomes more stable, kernel patches will become less necessary. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.95a released on March 17, 1992 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************