From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 07:30:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #24 Linux-Activists Digest #24, Volume #2 Sun, 5 Apr 92 07:30:13 EDT Contents: Re: priority levels in Linux? (Drew Eckhardt) Re: Questions about answers in Linux FAQ w.r.t. OS/2 (Drew Eckhardt) gcc can't find ___stderr. Where is it?? (Joel M. Hoffman) MGR --> Anyone??? (cm445a17) adduser (again!) (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Re: Since I haven't seen an FAQ... (Tor Lillqvist) Re: Compress badness (A. V. Le Blanc) Linux Questions (Mitchell Ludwig) partitioning problem (Andy I. Liaw) serial port in linux (Andy I. Liaw) Taylor uucp 1.03 beta - status report! (Ed Carp) Taylor uucp 1.03 beta - status report! (Ed Carp) Re: Compress badness (BURNS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew@romeo.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: priority levels in Linux? Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 02:05:43 GMT In article <1992Apr4.170236.24121@wam.umd.edu> joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes: >Does Linux support different priority level for different processes >(as used with nice, renice, etc.)? > >-Joel >(joel@wam.umd.edu) > > Yes, but as of this time, to my knowledge, no one has written a working renice utility. ------------------------------ From: drew@romeo.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: Questions about answers in Linux FAQ w.r.t. OS/2 Date: 5 Apr 92 02:20:25 GMT In article <1992Apr4.221534.7143@athena.mit.edu> bjaspan@athena.mit.edu (Barr3y Jaspan) writes: >I have two comments/questions about the Linux FAQ. I have not (before now) >read this newsgroup. > >(1) The question "How does Linux operate in an OS/2 environment?" is answered >with "Fine." What exactly does this mean? The most obvious answer is that >OS/2 and Linux can coexist on a disk, and that you can boot either one of them >(probably using OS/2's boot manager). Linux will coexist with any other operating system(s) which respects the "standard" PC partitioning scheme - this includes DOS, OS/2, Minix, etc. >(2) The answer to "How big is the 'complete' Linux package?" leaves out a lot >of information. The totals given do not appear to contain, say, all the >programs from /bin, /usr/bin, /etc, and so forth that Unix needs to operate. >Is a binary distribution of all this stuff available? If so, how large is it? > Yes. >Comparing the Linux boot and root disks, kernel source, and libc source to the >entire OS/2 LA distribution just isn't fair. OS/2 contains binary >distributions for all OS/2 stuff, plus a complete DOS and Windows 3.0 >distribution, plus a large number of fonts for the Adobe Type Manager, >migration tools for Windows programs, and so forth. The user can choose how >much of this to install, and it usually isn't necessary to use all 20 disks. > That depends on your definition of complete. Obviously, the OS/2 distribution includes neither a 'C' compiler nor debugger, compiler construction tools like Bison and Flex, etc. However, a compiler, assembler, linker, etc and Make are required in a Unix environment where most software is available in a source distribution only. For me, a comfortable system is a 32M root partition (with a floating 3-10M free), plus another swap partition. This includes everything except the full-blown Emacs. That means EVERYTHING, all of the Gnu file, shell, text, and bin utilities, bison, flex, bash, shadow password login and utilities, awk, sed, perl, gcc 2.1 / gas and full libraries / include files, elvis, micro emacs, vile, ed, full kernel / library source, /vmunix and /vmunix.bak, cron, RCS, compress, tar, kermit. Full library and kernel source is there, plus the object code from the last kernel build. You don't have the same wealth of utilities under OS/2. I should also mention that before I patched the kernel so it wouldn't get stuck on hard errors in the hd driver, so I could make a file system on the non-error free partition that is now my root, I was running it on my 10M swap partition. In this configuration, I still had enough space for all of the "normal" utilities (no choice of three editors, perl, online library source, or games) and to do kernel builds with GCC1.39. ------------------------------ From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) Subject: gcc can't find ___stderr. Where is it?? Date: 5 Apr 92 03:04:05 GMT This is probably some inane omission on my part, but while trying to compile linux/tools/build.c, I get an error message about an undefined symbol ___stderr referenced from the text segment. What am I doing wrong? On a more general note: I seem to recall this having been discussed once before in alt.os.linux, but of course the article has expired, and I have no way to find the information from the archives. It would be nice if there were some way to grep the archives while using FTP. Is this possible? -Joel (joel@wam.umd.edu) ------------------------------ From: cm445a17@socrates.umd.edu (cm445a17) Subject: MGR --> Anyone??? Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 06:57:33 GMT Is anyone working on porting MGR for Linux? Thanks, Jaime ------------------------------ From: zmbenhal@isis.cs.du.edu (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: adduser (again!) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 06:34:48 GMT Sorry to be such a nag, but has anybody managed to use adduser correctly. From looking at the sources and those for login.c (poeigl .12) they do not agree on the salt to use in encryption and as a result never generate thae same result for a given password. From login.c salt is the first 2 char. from the users name. adduser uses a random salt each time it's envoked. I changed adduser to use uname[0] and uname[1] but no joy. So what gives? Zeyd ------------------------------ From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) Subject: Re: Since I haven't seen an FAQ... Date: 5 Apr 92 14:45:41 GMT In article hedrick@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: The only thing I can think of that would be different about the Gnu OS when it's released is that it will have a kernel written by Gnu. Aren't you forgetting that Linux (at least according to the info I have read here, I haven't looked at the sources yet) is written for the 386 architecture only, while Mach is presumably more architecture-independent. On the other hand, I don't know if the architecture-specific bits of Mach are less or more, line-count-wise, than those parts of Linux that are 386-specific. The 386 can't show through on every level of Linux, can it? For the "hacker" wanting a cheap but powerful system with free UNIX complete with sources, nowadays the question is probably moot. There doesn't seem to be much question that a generic 386 or 486 box gives the best MIPS/$ ratio. I certainly don't have any warm and fuzzy feeling about the 386 or the AT architecture per se, but am still beginning to accept that maybe I haven't got much choice when I finally some day buy a home system... (But certainly, I won't run DOS on it.) But who knows what happens in five years? -- Tor Lillqvist, working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland ------------------------------ From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc) Subject: Re: Compress badness Date: 4 Apr 92 18:31:29 GMT In article <1992Apr2.233539.27841@athena.cs.uga.edu> knapka@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joseph Knapka) writes: > >... And then one day, compress went flaky. Works for everything except >one file, /home/tar/misc.tar, which has within it shoelace.tar, some >patches for shoelace, and some other odds and ends. I say, "compress >/home/tar/misc.tar", and compress pounds on the disk a litte while, >and then back comes the root: prompt --- and misc.tar is totally >unchanged --- there's not even a .Z on the end of its name. This is standard behaviour when the 'compressed' file is larger than the 'uncompressed' file. You can force compression by compress misc.tar.Z and then see how big the two files are. -- Owen LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: mludwig@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (Mitchell Ludwig) Subject: Linux Questions Date: 5 Apr 92 05:25:33 GMT Reply-To: mludwig@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (Mitchell Ludwig ) Um... Wow. Nice UN*X package. I've finally got Linux 0.95a up and running. I am now going to ask the questions that have truly been asked about 100 times before. Since I've never seen the "real" answer, I'm gonna ask 'em again. 1) How do I patch the updates to the system? I certainly aint gonna trash my system trying this without some guidance... 2) Where can I get the PS and DF and HOSTNAME functions so that I can find out what's going on, how much space is being used, and set my system's name. 3) Where the heck can I get a UUCP package for this bad boy. Right now I've got this way cool UNIX box running, and my net mail is being processed by a PC/XT running Waffle! 4) Same as #3 but a news package (anyone port b/cnews and a nice newsreader???) 5) How about a nice mail reader (Elm . . . :-) Now that I've finished begging and pleading, let me thank all those who've come before me. It's nice to have this sort of thing going on. As long as I'm wasting bandwidth, if Elm hasn't been ported, I'd like to give it a go. Is there, by chance, a list somewhere of common problems users have found while porting? And since I've brought up the porting... 6) What version of GCC is the one to use? Please reply BY MAIL, to ludwig@wefunk.rent.com. My host hasn't yet conceded and started carrying this group and I just now subscribed to the digest. Mitch Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux Subject: Linux... And some needed software Summary: Expires: References: <1992Apr4.144210.17833@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <1992Apr4.145409.18037@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Sender: Reply-To: ludwig@wefunk.rent.com (Mitchell Ludwig ) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: "The Mothership Connection" Keywords: Um... Wow. Nice UN*X package. I've finally got Linux 0.95a up and running. I am now going to ask the questions that have truly been asked about 100 times before. Since I've never seen the "real" answer, I'm gonna ask 'em again. 1) How do I patch the updates to the system? I certainly aint gonna trash my system trying this without some guidance... 2) Where can I get the PS and DF and HOSTNAME functions so that I can find out what's going on, how much space is being used, and set my system's name. 3) Where the heck can I get a UUCP package for this bad boy. Right now I've got this way cool UNIX box running, and my net mail is being processed by a PC/XT running Waffle! 4) Same as #3 but a news package (anyone port b/cnews and a nice newsreader???) 5) How about a nice mail reader (Elm . . . :-) Now that I've finished begging and pleading, let me thank all those who've come before me. It's nice to have this sort of thing going on. As long as I'm wasting bandwidth, if Elm hasn't been ported, I'd like to give it a go. Is there, by chance, a list somewhere of common problems users have found while porting? And since I've brought up the porting... 6) What version of GCC is the one to use? Please reply BY MAIL, to ludwig@wefunk.rent.com. My host hasn't yet conceded and started carrying this group and I just now subscribed to the digest. Mitch ------------------------------ From: ail8070@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andy I. Liaw) Subject: partitioning problem Date: 5 Apr 92 07:28:00 GMT Hi! everyone, I finally installed linux on my IDE drive. The strange thing is that I created both dos and linux partitions with pfdisk, and activate the dos partition with pfdisk also (if i activate it with dos's fdisk, linux won't boot up and i have to re-partition and re-install). When I boot up to dos, I can go to the D: prompt! And it shows nothing in there. How do I restrict access to the linux partition from DOS? I am really not crazy about going through the installation for the 20th time, so I don't want to mess up the linux partition any more. Andy ------------------------------ From: ail8070@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andy I. Liaw) Subject: serial port in linux Date: 5 Apr 92 07:30:37 GMT Can someone please tell me how to set line in kermit? My hayes compatible modem is set to COM1. What is the device name for it? andy ------------------------------ From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Taylor uucp 1.03 beta - status report! Date: 5 Apr 92 06:07:09 GMT Here's the scoop: taylor-uucp-1.03beta from convex - no patches applied... GCC 2.1 (from tsx-11, I think - H.J. ftp'd it somewhere) Linux 0.95a virgin kernel I had to tweak the Makefile (don't use -O, -s, or -g!), and do a real dance with the configuration file and conf.h, but it talks and transfers files! I haven't gotten uuxqt running yet (it gives me a memory fault), and the binaries are AWFULLY big (sigh) - the tar of just the executables and stuff is just over 1MB, but it runs! Hey, H.J., got shared libs for gcc-2.1 yet?? :) I should have uucp up and running by Monday - Sunday if I'm REAL lucky. I'll be getting the patches tomorrow, too, so I can upgrade 1.03beta to something that works...:) -- Ed Carp N7EKG/6 erc@khijol.UUCP erc@apple.com Cupertino, CA 408/252-5947 -- Absolutely unabashed Gates McFadden groupie! -- ------------------------------ From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Taylor uucp 1.03 beta - status report! Date: 5 Apr 92 06:07:09 GMT Here's the scoop: taylor-uucp-1.03beta from convex - no patches applied... GCC 2.1 (from tsx-11, I think - H.J. ftp'd it somewhere) Linux 0.95a virgin kernel I had to tweak the Makefile (don't use -O, -s, or -g!), and do a real dance with the configuration file and conf.h, but it talks and transfers files! I haven't gotten uuxqt running yet (it gives me a memory fault), and the binaries are AWFULLY big (sigh) - the tar of just the executables and stuff is just over 1MB, but it runs! Hey, H.J., got shared libs for gcc-2.1 yet?? :) I should have uucp up and running by Monday - Sunday if I'm REAL lucky. I'll be getting the patches tomorrow, too, so I can upgrade 1.03beta to something that works...:) -- Ed Carp N7EKG/6 erc@khijol.UUCP erc@apple.com Cupertino, CA 408/252-5947 -- Absolutely unabashed Gates McFadden groupie! -- ------------------------------ From: gt0178a@prism.gatech.EDU (BURNS) Subject: Re: Compress badness Date: 5 Apr 92 07:44:25 GMT in article <1992Apr2.233539.27841@athena.cs.uga.edu>, knapka@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joseph Knapka) says: > /home/tar/misc.tar", and compress pounds on the disk a litte while, > and then back comes the root: prompt --- and misc.tar is totally > unchanged --- there's not even a .Z on the end of its name. I do a Compress does that if the compressed file turns out to not be significantly smaller than the original - perhaps your tar file has a lot of binaries in it? To test this out, use the -f (force) switch in compress, and see if the .Z shows up. -- BURNS,JIM (returned student) Georgia Institute of Technology, 30178 Georgia Tech Station, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 | Internet: gt0178a@prism.gatech.edu uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0178a ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.95a released on March 17, 1992 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************