From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 16:13:16 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #860 Linux-Misc Digest #860, Volume #2 Sat, 1 Oct 94 16:13:16 EDT Contents: Re: Linux goes commercial (Phil Hughes) Re: Request info on LINUX books and magazines (Phil Hughes) Re: Which distributors to use (Phil Hughes) Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Jiann-Ming Su) Pixmaps (Bill McCarthy) Re: [ppp] (Tina Golini) Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Steve Wilson) Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? (Thomas G. McWilliams) Re: New Linux Distribution (Jeff Kesselman) Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? (Mark A. Davis) Re: New Linux Distribution (Jeff Kesselman) Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Lover Man) gcc 2.6.0 [Re: GCC (templates) on Linux] (NightHawk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes) Subject: Re: Linux goes commercial Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:51:23 GMT Champ Clark (c-clark@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu) wrote: : My boss swears up and down that he read somewhere that Linux : is no longer going to be a "free" (when I say that, I mean, : you dont have to buy it.. you can FTP it) anymore. He states : that the author (linus) has decided to make "linux" a commerical : product. This just can't happen. That is, what Linux is today is free and under GPL so you can have it. There are certainly commercial packages that run under Linux and such (see the ads in Linux Journal) but that is a totally different matter. -- Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385 usually phil@ssc.com, sometimes fyl@eskimo.com ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin From: fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes) Subject: Re: Request info on LINUX books and magazines Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:09:36 GMT Luis Miguel Silveira (lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu) wrote: : I am looking for good reference books and/or magazines that include : descriptions or articles about Linux. Are there any available? If a : CD-ROM with the software comes with the book/magazine that would be a : *big* plus. There is, of course Linux Journal (blurb below). As for books there is Thomas Uhl's book that has a couple of titles (and is in German and English), Matt Welsh's _Linux Installation and Getting Started_, Olaf Kirch's _Linux Network Administrator's Guide_ and, all the How-Tos. SSC has published both Matt Welsh's and Olaf Kirch's books in perfect-bound versions ($12.95 and $18.95 respectively. Send e-mail to sales@ssc.com, call 206-527-3385 or fax 206-527-2806 to request a complete SSC catalog. The info below is on Linux Journal. +--------------+ P.O. Box 85867 * Seattle, WA * 98145-1867 * USA | Linux | (206)524-8338 * fax: (206)526-0803 * linux@fylz.com | Journal | Subscriptions: (206) 527-3385 FAX: (206) 527-2806 +--------------+ LINUX JOURNAL FAQ 6/23/94 This FAQ contains information about Linux Journal, the magazine covering the Linux Community. Topics covered are: o general/history o content o subscriptions o writing for LJ o advertising in LJ o Linux-related product releases o consultants directory o distributors/retailers o misc o if all else fails ... General/History We see our mission as serving the Linux community while working to promote the use of Linux. Although most of our initial sub- scribers have come from the Internet we expect half of our future readers will find LJ as their initial source of information on Linux. This means that LJ can provide a way for people to find hardware, software and help in getting themselves going. We see this as a benefit to the Linux newsgroups by reducing "newbie" questions as well to our advertisers by providing them with a new way to reach potential new users. The idea for producing Linux Journal arose in early 1993. In late February, 1994 we mailed our first issue. The magazine received a very positive response - both on the Internet and elsewhere. Is- sue #4, the August issue, will be released in mid-July. SSC, publisher of Unix and C pocket references for over ten years, is now the publisher, with Phil Hughes having the overall responsibility for the complete publication. Phil's 11 years in publishing and 15 years of experience with Unix will be applied to ensure the quality of the publication as well as its promo- tion. Michael K. Johnson is now the editor. He founded the original "man project", which was the forerunner of the current "Linux Documentation Project", and maintains a few Linux packages, as well as the "Linux Kernel Hackers' Guide". Content Each issue of Linux Journal offers articles that appeal to new- comers as well as serious technical articles for long-time Unix users. Although LJ is Linux-specific, many of the articles are of interest to Unix users and other users of freely redistributable software. Regular columns include: o Interviews with prominent Linux personalities o Linux Programming Tips by Michael Johnson o What's GNU? by Arnold Robbins o Cooking with Linux by Matt Welsh o The Debian Distribution by Ian Murdock o New Products o Letters to the Editor o Book and Product Reviews o Linux Counter o Linux Consultant's Directory Features that have appeared in Linux Journal include: o Tips for Optimizing Memory Usage by Jeff Tranter o Sendmail+IDA by Vince Skahan o World Wide Web by Bernie Thompson o Comparison of Linux, Windows NT and OS/2 by Bernie Thompson o Onyx: a copylefted 4GL by Michael Kraehe o Icmake: a new make tool by Frank Brokken and Karel Kubat o Linux and Hams: what hams involved in Linux have to say o Hints & Tips for Optimizing Linux Disk Usage by Jeff Tranter o Linux Systems Administration by Mark Komarinski o Linux Journal Survey Results o Linux Around the World o The Linux File System Standard by Daniel Quinlan o Linux Distributions o Wine Status Advertisers include: o Algorithms Corporation o Amtec Engineering, Inc. o Basmark o Fintronic o FYL o InfoMagic o Prime Time Freeware o PromoX Systems o Sequoia International, Inc. o Signum Support o Springer-Verlag o SSC o Trans-Ameritech o Usenix o Unix Expo o Windsor Technologies o Yggdrasil Subscriptions Subscriptions are available internationally through SSC directly. They are also available in specific regions through our interna- tional distributors. Magazines are mailed internationally through a "surface air lift" service which delivers the magazines quickly to the countries of destination where local mail will be handled by surface delivery. Subscription rates are as follows: $19/year U.S., $24/year Canada, $29/year Foreign $34/2 years U.S., $44/2 years Canada, $49/2 years Foreign Back issues are available for $4 ($6 airmail) while supplies last. Linux Journal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 FAX: +1 206 527-2806, Phone: +1 206 527-3385 E-mail: subs@ssc.com At this address we can accept payment by checks in U.S. funds drawn on a U.S. bank or a foreign bank in their native currency, American Express, Visa and MasterCard. Since the internet is not a secure network, you may not wish to send credit card numbers via email. Subscriptions start with the next issue of Linux Journal. Back issues, if still available, are $4 each or $6 each for air mail delivery. Writing for Linux Journal Articles in Linux Journal cover the range from "how do I get started" to kernel hacking. We intend to try to strike a balance so the magazine will be accessible to the newcomer and yet con- tinue to contain useful information to long-term Linux users. Also, in order to legitimize Linux to many business unix users, we need to offer articles on commercial uses for Linux. They can be in the form of documenting a place/job where Linux is being used commercially, a technical article on the development of a commercial application, or a review of a commercial product. If you are considering writing for LJ or have a lead to a commer- cial use, contact our editor, Michael Johnson. He can be reached via e-mail at ljeditor@sunsite.unc.edu, or as Editor, Linux Jour- nal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 Advertising in LJ Linux Journal is supported by a combination of subscription and advertising revenue. Rates are competitive for the number of readers we reach and our specific target audience matches the needs of those who have products targeted to the Linux market. We currently only offer display advertising. Future plans include classified advertising and a card deck. If you are interested, request a media kit and rate card. Our advertising manager is: Joanne Wagner, Linux Journal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 FAX: +1 206 526-0803, Phone: +1 206 524-8338 E-mail: joanne@fylz.com Linux-related Product Releases If you have a new product that you feel is of interest to the Linux community, send us a press release. We have a regular new products column and will publish information on the most relevant products. We also have a review team and may be interested in reviewing specific products. If you would be willing to make a review copy of a product available, please let us know. Send new product information to: New Products, Linux Journal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 FAX: +1 206 526-0803, Phone: +1 206 524-8338 E-mail: newprod@fylz.com Consultant's Directory We maintain a directory of consultants that work with Linux. The directory is published periodically in Linux Journal. The first listing is currently free, and rates for subsequent listings are reasonable. To be listed, send your name, company, address, phone and e-mail and/or fax contact information along with a brief de- scription of what you work on to: Consultant Directory, Linux Journal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 FAX: +1 206 526-0803, Phone: +1 206 524-8338 E-mail: joanne@fylz.com Distributors/Retailers We are in the process of setting up newsstand distribution of LJ. Computer Literacy Bookstores and Barnes & Noble carry the maga- zine and we expect to get distribution to many other stores in the next few months. If you are aware of a store that should carry LJ you can suggest they contact SSC at (206) 527-3385 about reselling or send us e- mail at dist@ssc.com with their contact information. Misc Q: Is LJ available Electronically? A: Not yet. Once we have the paper copy under control we plan to work on this. It requires contract arrangements with both authors and advertisers before we can do it. Q: Can information printed in LJ be reprinted? A: Authors may use the material with the only restriction being that if they use it immediately they include the phrase "reprint- ed with permission of Linux Journal". Other people wishing to use material should contact LJ. Permission is generally granted ex- cept where restricted by author or other prior copyright. If All Else Fails ... If your question isn't answered here, send e-mail to ljedi- tor@sunsite.unc.edu. We will send a e-mail response and, if it is a common question we will add it to this FAQ. If you don't have e-mail, you can fax questions to (206) 526-0803 or call (206) 524-8338. -- Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385 usually phil@ssc.com, sometimes fyl@eskimo.com ------------------------------ From: fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes) Subject: Re: Which distributors to use Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:27:02 GMT Pascal Cleve (cleve@tiac.net) wrote: : Which distributors would you recommend for Linux. Downloading is not fun. : Any horror stories? Should I pick one at random? If you are downloading, pick Slackware. Very popular, very modular and it works. But, the best bet is get a CD-ROM. It is cheap and well worth it. -- Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385 usually phil@ssc.com, sometimes fyl@eskimo.com ------------------------------ From: Jiann-Ming Su Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:13:02 -0500 (CDT) > > SGI doesn't sell a 200 Mhz processor. > Well, I just "hinved" the machine and apparently it's back to 150MHz. I guess that chip was taken out of there. Over the summer it had been saying 200MHz. Oh well. I can live with 150, I gues. . . ------------------------------ From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy) Subject: Pixmaps Date: 1 Oct 1994 11:52:04 -0400 Hiya: I have a rather odd question. Is there any ftp site that has a collection of pixmaps? I'm using some from XFM-1.3, and a few are nice, but I'd like to get some more varied kinds. Any pointers? Thanks. Bill McCarthy bmccarth@gulfaero.com "Isn't it pretty to think so." TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________ LinuX + i486dx2/66 usual disclaimer ------------------------------ From: cgolini@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Tina Golini) Subject: Re: [ppp] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:24:24 GMT pp000547@interramp.com wrote: : As far as I can tell, the only thing different about the way I now : interface with interramp.com via PPP and the way I am supposed to : interface with snarf.com is that interramp.com assigns me a "dynamic" : IP address each time I dial in, whereas snarf.com has "loaned" me a : fixed IP address. : So, since the various scripts that I am using with interramp.com work : nicely, I simply copied them all into another directory and modified them to : suit snarf.com. : However, when I try to connect to snarf.com, the negotiations get : bogged down and (I think) my end of the negotiations eventually loses : patience and quits. If you don't have the option "defaultroute" in your /etc/ppp/options file, add it. Hopefully that will fix it. Be happy... - Stormy (I'm on vacation, this isn't my account, send replies to STORMY@MAIL.DAVIS.COM) ------------------------------ From: stevew@sheridan.ncd.com (Steve Wilson) Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:24:24 GMT In article <36f0am$kcm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu>, vlad@myhost.subdomain.domain (Rakesh Malik) writes: |> H. Peter Anvin (hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu) wrote: |> : Followup to: <1994Sep24.025919.2356@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> |> : By author: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter C. Norton) |> : In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc |> : > |> : > No, no, no (shaking head sadly). First, I believe that the PCI bus is |> : > only 32 bits wide. Now go and do your math. Second, have you any means of |> : > benching your bus at optimum performance? I think you're in for a hard |> : > dose of reality... |> : > |> |> : Your belief is incorrect. The PCI bus has both 32 and 64 bit |> : versions. |> |> : /hpa |> |> |> : -- |> : INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha --- |> : IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN |> : FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101 |> : Laughter is the best medicine -- Quayle in '94. |> |> Does that mean that PCI-2 is available now? PCI is only 32-bits, |> but the new spec is supposed to be for 64-bit wide and faster clock. Is |> this rumour true, then? |> |> -Rakesh Okay folks...having read the PCI spec a couple times thru now. The PCI 2.0 spec has been around for many many months. I saw it first about a year ago if memory serves. This spec has always defined a 64 bit bus and a 32 bit bus. Both sizes are supported. REALITY CHECK: All of the peripheral parts I'm familiar with are using a 32 bit interface today(that doesn't mean that 64 bit parts don't exist, I've just not seen any yet!) SO, today if you go buy a PCI based system, it'll be a 32 bit bus. Steve Wilson ------------------------------ From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) Subject: Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:02:26 GMT Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.infi.net) wrote: : BTW- I just tried out SCO Unix WordPerfect 5.1 at home (upgraded the : kernel finally, so I could load iBCS). ***WOW*** it works, it works : great, it works fine, it works well, it works!!!! Not only that, but I : loaded up a demo of Island Write/Draw/Paint I had lying around.... : AND THAT WORKS FLAWLESSLY TOO!! : : Great job people!!!!! Does this mean that Mark Davis is retiring as the resident nag for SCO compatibility? Could it be true? No more repetitions lectures and admonitions from Mark "One Note" Davis? What will be his next crusade ... :^) (I'm just kidding you Mark; you have defended your position honorably and reasonably over the years. I'm glad you finally have what you've been waiting for!) tgm@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:03:20 GMT In article <36c1rr$h01@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Charles Blair wrote: > I suspect a lot of novice users never use sed and awk, and that many >more use vi. Hey. I've been using UNIX for ... lets see... 28 years now. For about 24 of them I've been using vi. I NEVER use sedf aor awk. (Well, to be honest, I learned PERL last year and use it from time to time... its far superiuor to awk IMO 'cause it pre-compiles and thus runs an order of magnitude faster. It can also do binary output, a real limitation of awk.) :) ------------------------------ From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) Subject: Re: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:03:56 GMT mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli) writes: >In article 4500@taylor.infi.net, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes: >>mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli) writes: >>> Due to my constant exposure to it and great >>>hatred for it, I am afraid you will be unable to convince me of its >> >>Not sure why you would HATE it.... >> >Perhaps I should enumerate some of the reasons: > 1. Printing requires a separate suid root daemon with its own > configuration program. Why can't they just print through lpd > like everyone else? They did this to preserve the print control and port control features to make it identical to the MS-DOS versions. I can't say I am thrilled about having it (I would feel fine throwing that away), but it works fine here nonetheless. > 2. Although the program is nominally X/Motif (it creates a window, > has pull-down menus, etc.), it is still basically a text program. > It is clearly text-oriented. For example, choosing "load" from > the file menu results in WP's text file load screen taking over > the window from the document, just like it does under DOS. > NO Motif filebox. This shows more laziness than anything else, > I suspect, but it still blows. This is not true.... certainly not in 5.1. You click on file, you do indeed get a standard, motifish file chooser- all point and click. > 3. It crashes. It does crash if the Xserver runs out of pixmap memory- I have complained to WP about this. Hopefully this will be fixed in 6.0 > A lot. I have 100 people using it all day long (on the same machine, no less). I would estimate our average crash rate in the text version is about 1 time per month (which affects only a single person, and the work they were doing is saved automatically in /tmp/*.bk). In the X version (less used since most of our terminals are text based), I would estimate about 1 crash in every 20 sessions. > Usually just locks up, but sometimes the > window dies while the process stays behind. When this happens > (once a week, with heavy use) the process is somehow unkillable. The only way > to get rid of it is to reboot. I have never seen that behavior in WordPerfect for SCO Unix.... Although I have seen this happen on a few other programs. > And you'd better do that, too, > since if you don't, and try to start a new instance of WP, odds > are 50-50 that the whole OS will crash, right down to the PROM > monitor. Only piece of user-space code I've ever seen which can > crash Ultrix. I suspect the suid root piece must have something > to do with this. There definately appears to be a problem with the Ultrix version based on that description. > 4. Strange screen effects. The scrollbars don't work right. They > don't show your correct relative position in the document, I have not seen that behavior. > and you > can't scroll all the way to the bottom of the document. That was fixed in the 11/93 and later versions of WP5.1 > There are many more, but these are sufficient to damn it internally >in my mind. At least keep the damning mostly to the Ultrix version.... :) >>>non-existence (although I wish it were so). 5.1-X is not too bad, but >>>it is not available for Ultrix, which is what I have on my desk at work. >> >>Time to change OS's? Maybe you could run the newer version remotely.... >>or, if for some reason you hate WP, not just the DEC 5.0 version, then >>use something else.... $$$$ Framemaker, Island Write, On-Go, Applixware... >> >This is difficult for me to do, as my employer doesn't authorize me >to spend any money. I can understand that completely. > At any rate, I don't want to bring this horrible >beast home to my Linux box. Note though, that I am aware that 5.1 on >SunOS 4.1.3 is dramatically better, although still not perfect. No software is perfect.... especially not huge programs which run on all kinds of machines, try to do everything in the world, and try to meet everyone's needs. (Darn- I should copywrite that!) -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 | | Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:06:40 GMT What IS needed is a decent admin shell. IMO. Just about anybody who can read can get some of the latest CD-ROM Linuxs installed. What they can't do, however, is the day to day admin necessary to keep a UNIX system healthy and happy. An adminshell woudl help alot... ------------------------------ From: robinson@sparc62.cs.uiuc.edu (Lover Man) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS Date: 30 Sep 94 20:21:00 GMT jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth) writes: >dwm@shell.portal.com (David - Morris) writes: >>Re. why not 127.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 -- the destination address must >>be a 'host' address and the host address can't be zero (0). >True... but I think he was talking about the destination address, not the >interface address... you can route either the loopback _net_, or the >loopback _host_, with equal facility. >Cheers, >-- jra >-- >Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Comsulting Ashworth >Designer Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation & Associates >ka1fjx/4 >jra@baylink.com "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?" 813 790 7592 Ok I have a question for you guys. Since I didn't here the beginning of this thread I have this particular problem: I have a problem. There is a machine which I dial up and get a slip link to. On this machines network I can access all of the machines. However I have to telnet to a machine I have an account on on that network to be able to telnet or ftp to the rest of the internet. Is there a way I can somehow have the machine that I do have an account on to act as some sort of a gateway. I've tried specifiing that machine as my gateway to no avail. ####### ##################### # Me #--------- # Dialup term server#----------+ ####### ##################### | | ######### # "bert"# ######### | $$$$|$$$$$ $Internet$ $$$$$$$$$$ I want to make it look to my machine as if I am connected directly to the internet. And if possible to the internet that I am connected directly to it. I am assuming the termserver will not route packets out side of the network the machine "bert" lies on. I have an account on the machine bert, which is how I access the internet. I would like to be able to do what I do from bert directly from my machine, which happens to be a linux box. Here is what I see when I type the route command on my box. By the way which is a Linux machine. Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface uicgate * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 sl0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default uicgate * UG 0 0 4996 sl0 uiucgate is the name of the termserver, or at least the name I gave it in my hosts file. ------------------------------ From: fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk) Subject: gcc 2.6.0 [Re: GCC (templates) on Linux] Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:10:39 -0400 Daniel COHEN-LAROQUE (cohen@eurecom.fr) wrote: : For more information, have a look at gnu.gcc.help newsgroup. : If people is interested, I can download gcc2.6.0 on a site. I think Please don't. You don't know what you get into. : people at sunsite wait for gcc to be more stable. (I don't aggree since : it's as usable as gcc2.5.8, I compiled kernel 1.1.45 yesterday) gcc 2.6.1 may be release RSN. For peopl who cannot wait and are willing to use the beta compiler, you can join the GCC channel. NH ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************